As part of this package of stories on “The Changing Face of Texas,” the TEXAN interviewed Hispanic Initiative Director Mike Gonzales on what the growing Latino population means for Southern Baptist work in Texas.
First of all, explain briefly what the SBTC Hispanic Initiative is?
We have about 9 million Hispanics in Texas and we have about 127 Hispanic churches to reach that population. The primary objective is to help the Hispanic churches win the lost. And then I work really closely with Terry Coy [SBTC senior church planting strategist] in helping Hispanic church planting. The third tier of our work is the Hispanic Education Superhighway, which we developed not long after I arrived.
Our aim is to provide theological education and training from the GED to the PhD. Many of our pastors haven’t graduated from high school, so we encourage them to pursue that so they go on and work on a bachelor of arts, a master of divinity and then a PhD. At this point we work on five campuses: Southwestern, then the Southwestern campuses in San Antonio and Houston, and then Criswell College and Jacksonville College.
Also, we provide a Spanish session during the SBTC annual meeting and special events during the Empower Evangelism Conference, as well as a youth camp–we call it Youth Camp at Alto Frio–a women’s conference, and we’re developing a marriage conference and a men’s conference.
Are Texas Southern Baptists doing an adequate job in reaching Hispanics?
We’re lacking. We’re not where we need to be. I still dream that we would have a Hispanic church of 1,000 members; we don’t have that. Primera Iglesia Bautista Nueva Vida in Garland probably has 700 or 800. There are several like that. But we struggle there.
Is that because of the large Roman Catholic influence among Hispanics?
Yes, Roman Catholic influence, Jehovah’s Witnesses influence, Mormon influence. Those groups are very aggressive and effective in influencing Hispanics. There’s even a growing Muslim influence among Hispanics. We are not as aggressive. We need to be more aggressive in reaching out. I think a problem that we have is we don’t have the business people in our churches who are able to help financially build a strong church. On the Anglo side, you have teachers, a superintendent, people who own a business, a lawyer, a doctor. We don’t typically have that in our Hispanic churches. Some do, but not as a rule.
One positive aspect is that more and more of our young people are going to school and they’re deciding to go into some kind of professional field that will give them a good future. But many of them are attracted to Anglo churches once they start their families.
Is some of that simply cultural assimilation?
Yes, but here in Dallas-Fort Worth, for example, we have over 2 million that are first generation. That’s a lot. But then you have many who are second and third generation, like me. And we prefer English and not Spanish. And many of these second- and third-generation people will not even speak Spanish. Some of our leading Hispanic churches, like Nueva Vida in Garland, they do have an English service, they do have a bilingual service. So as a result, that is meeting the needs in their context.
The rhetoric right now is high regarding illegal immigration from Mexico. Is that a sore spot in how our Hispanic churches relate to the Anglo churches? Is the level of understanding good from the Anglo perspective?
I think our Anglo churches would welcome anyone into their church. I think when we switch from a civic discussion into a church context, I don’t think it’s a problem. Most Hispanic first-generation and second-generation people will not even step into an Anglo service because of the facilities, because of the language barrier. So they would tend to be more open to coming to a Hispanic church. Our Hispanic churches don’t turn anyone away. We don’t typically ask them for documentation. We just want them to come and worship with us. And in almost all of our churches that happens.
Do you see some parallels there between Paul and Onesimus and Philemon?
That would be a good model, yes, as far as dealing with the types of relationships that can occur in our current context. I think our Anglo brethren need to understand that the people who are out there undocumented—they are here to better themselves, they are here to have a better life. I know it’s wrong, but it’s difficult for local churches to negotiate their way through those issues.
I too have pastored churches where we had people who were undocumented. We just didn’t ask them. We witnessed to them and as many of them became Christians, they became missionaries as they went back to their towns and villages back in Mexico or South America.
Today, it’s not just Mexico—it’s all over Latin America. We have people from South America, Central America—there are literally neighborhoods of Hispanic people from other countries in the metroplex. Thirty or 40 years ago it was overwhelmingly Mexicans. But now it’s Hispanics in general.
Actually, it’s complicated things for our churches because they have traditionally been Mexican, but then you get somebody from El Salvador, Bolivia coming in, and you would think they would mix. But sometimes they don’t mix because of the different cultures, the foods. It’s not easy for a pastor to draw these people together from different backgrounds.
Well, our Anglo brethren need to understand that there are people out there who are professional, who are educated, and who are Hispanic and they speak English. That’s a phenomenon already occurring the Valley down in South Texas. And many of the English-speaking churches in the Valley are having to reach out to the community and many times their staff reflects the community: they may have a Hispanic worship leader, they may have a Hispanic pastor on staff.
He may be Anglo, but he’s probably already learning Spanish because he realized that if his church is going to survive, they will need to reach the Hispanic and the Anglo cultures. Not only that, but in the Valley—I was a director of missions down there—the Anglo population is lowering and Hispanic population continues to grow. And you have many professionals, lawyers, doctors, people who are on the city council, architects, and these are the people the Anglos are now reaching out to.
Now in North Texas it’s a little more difficult because the Anglo churches are stronger and less diverse, but we need to understand that it’s imperative we reach out to everyone. We need first-generation Hispanic churches, we need second-generation, and the third and fourth. And the third and fourth may be people who come together as Hispanics and then they have all the service in English. But they may want to sing in Spanish every once in a while. That’s the key—allowing them to hold on to some of their heritage. They may want to hear a Scripture verse in Spanish.
Gilbert Chavez at Oak Meadow in Austin is an example of a guy who does everything in English, but they do some Spanish-language songs to connect with his people. That will attract people from the outside because when they come in they feel more comfortable and they connect better. It’s very difficult for Hispanics to connect in an Anglo setting unless they have a friend and they bring them. But to come from the street, it’s hard for them to connect.
How does the Hispanic family structure affect how we reach out?
Hispanics place a high value on family. Even those who come from other countries, as they come they may have left their family at home, and if they come here, they are thinking about their extended family. And if they find a family here, then they will connect.
I mentioned the Muslims are gaining ground among Hispanics, especially in the San Antonio area, because they base everything on family. And they’re reaching them left and right. I had a pastor in San Antonio tell me it’s amazing how these ladies are sucked in to it. They’ll be wearing their headscarves, they just accept the Muslim faith, and it’s because they have a strong emphasis on the family.
Most people think of Catholicism, but really it’s the Muslims that are gaining ground with Hispanic population. And it’s because of their emphasis on the family. That’s just another factor in reaching Hispanics with the true, biblical gospel.